Why do people submit to hazing, or why do people ask others to go through hazing? Well, with high-status organizations there is a belief, let's say in fraternities, that going through hazing is kind of a litmus test of manhood. With our African American historic fraternities lately, there's been an interesting surge at the top to try and end it because they have been a number of deaths, a number of injuries. Students at the bottom, who are getting into the group, have a fight back against their national groups. They believe that they gain something from hazing, that they are better people. They are more prepared to go through life's travails. They are going to get secrets and songs and passwords that the others do not. People say to others coming in, you can either be a paper member, meaning the national organization says you're a member; or you can be a real member and you've taken the hitting or the alcohol or you've gone through some kind of right of passage. We have accepted you and that means something more than a piece of paper.